In some of my debates I come and people say:
Challenger: Evolution is a fact! Not only is it packed with science it also includes other scientific facts!
Martin: Like micro evolution?
Challenger: Yes!
Martin: Well, micro evolution is supported by the bible, can you think of any other fact?
Challenger: Fish can breath under water!
Okay, now I think readers will agree that this challenger was both ignorant and stupid! What I want to know, does evolution really include any fact that is not supported by the bible?
No!
Believe it or not, the bible is full of facts!
This one guy comes to me:
Challenger: You are ignorant to believe the bible is true! Show me 1 fact from the bible! Thats right it has none! The bible includes no facts! You creationists are all so dumb! You still believe the world is flat!Now this is just stupid, has he ever read the bible? No he has not, is he sure the bible includes no facts? No he is not! The one about the world is flat really makes me chuckle every time I see it! In this post I will give some scientifically proven facts straight from the bible! Please note that the bible was written about 6000 years and books were added.
Lets start with this:
The earth is round:
This is funny, because evolutionists always think Christians believe the earth is flat.
Isaiah 40:22 KJV
It is He who sits above the circle (Sphere in Hebrew) of the earth,Wow, interesting, here is said that God is sitting above the circle shaped earth that
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
Christians have knew this for thousands of years. Still it was taught in schools that the earth is flat, until it was proven wrong in the 15th century. Thats interesting isn't it?
Earth is in space
You know, Creationists has also known that there was always a space:
Job 26:7 KJV
He stretches out the north over empty space;Interesting. Why did nobody (Except creationists) know about space until 1667 when the term was created for "beyond the earths sky"? Yip the bible triumphs again.
He hangs the earth on nothing.
The one evolutionist I debated said:
Challenger: You are making no sense, you think that I am dumb because I believe something came from nothing! You believe the earth is hanging on nothing!Well, go out in space, what would you see other than stars, asteroids and planets? Nothing!
I think, maby what was meant by nothing was emptiness. Which comes down to the same description at the end of the day! Christians have known this for thousands of years, evolutionists figured this out at a late date of 1650.
Importance of blood in the life process
Leviticus 17:11 KJV
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’An evolutionist said, thats dumb, even cavemen knew if you bleed long enough you die.
There are 2 problems with this.
#1. You are assuming cavemen existed. They didn't.
#2. If thats true, why did people think that if you remove enough blood from your body you will get healed?
Cavemen thing will not work! They discovered the above fact in the 19th century!
Vision of birds of prey
This one is just fascinating! We didn't know much about birds a while back right?
Especially not birds of prey!
What we do know now is that a bird of prey has about 4 times better vision than humans.
Did evolutionists know that birds of prey have better vision 3000 years ago?
I don't think so! They always taught they hunt by smelling. Creationists on the other hand...
Job 28:7
That path no bird knows,
Nor has the falcon’s eye seen it.
Job 39:27-29
27 Does the eagle mount up at your command,Very interesting!
And make its nest on high?
28 On the rock it dwells and resides,
On the crag of the rock and the stronghold.
29 From there it spies out the prey;
Its eyes observe from afar.
Thats 4 for creation ZIP for evolution!
Seriously man, evolutionists have been behind for years!
Light is a particle and has mass
Job 38:19 says:
Where [is] the way [where] light dwelleth? and [as for] darkness, where [is] the place thereof,So know I have a question, why have Creationists know this for thousands of years, but this was figured out in 1932? It has to mean something! Evolutionists are so ignorant, they will never admit their theory is wrong! The problem is the theory is never changed, only the "proof". The bible never had that problem as proof never had to change!
Lightning and thunder are related
You know, a few hundred years ago, people thought the "gods" were angry when thunder came, they thought when lightning comes that the "gods" are showing off their power!
Thats ridiculous! And they believed that until the 19th century! Creatinists on the other hand:
Job 38:25
Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;Now its up to the readers to decide the next question.
Either someone has always been way ahead of technology as they knew the creator of our world and communicated with Him. Or creationists can guess stuff extremely good!
Humans posses the seed of life
To us allot of these things may seem like common sense, like we posses the seed of life. Did you know that was only discovered in the 17th century?
Thats pretty odd. Last time I checked Creationists knew this for about 6000 years!
As a matter of fact, the first book in the bible states this!
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Ah yes, ironic isn't it? Evolutionists claim to surpass creationists intelligence because they believe in evolution! Looking at these examples I think its pretty clear who has always had the most intelligence!
Oceans has natural paths in them
Yes once again science has shocked the community in 1854 by saying there are natural paths in the oceans! Well they shocked creationists to! We thought they should have known this for a few thousand years already!
Psalm 8:8
The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, [and whatsoever] passeth through the paths of the seas.
Snow has material value
Yes its true, up and till 1905 everyone (except creationist) believed snow was useless. Except for playing games in! Creationists have always knew snow has value!
Job 38:22
Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,Water cycle
People never knew where rain came from. Until finally in the 17th century when they discovered the water cycle! You know thats actually wrongly stated...
Finally in the 17th century when they discovered Creationists were right about the water!
Ecclesiates 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea [is] not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
Right here I just gave 10 examples of where science is stated in the bible, there are many more though!
Now some people might say, they teach evolution in almost all the schools so it must be true!
No thats wrong, they taught the earth was flat, they taught that if you take out your blood you get healed, they taught birds of prey smell their foe, they taught thunder was angry gods... So I think its pretty logical to say, not everything taught in school is always 100% accurate!
So now, Creationists reading this, next time evolutionists say the bible is not scientific, direct them to this page! That ought to keep them shut for a while!
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-Martin
A few things could have been stated or written better, but all in all good post.
ReplyDeleteYou are shameless.
ReplyDeleteA couple days I left a long and thorough comment, regarding evidence of evolution and how you don't understand the evidence.
Instead of replying, you removed it.
Your Blog posts encourage comments, you encourage debate, you even have criticized "evolutionists" for not responding to your posts.
You then respond by removing comments that you do not agree with, even though on the surface you asked for them.
Such actions demonstrate zero credibility. I fully expect this comment to be removed, but hope some potential see it first, then note it too will be removed. Proving my point.
He didn't delete your comment!
ReplyDeleteIts right here:
http://creationisreal.blogspot.com/2009/10/debate-shame-part-1.html#comments
I don't think he cares much about the comments.
Not to fear I have forwared your comment to his email.
I to am an evolutionist, but I am starting to doubt, should he succesfully and logically reply your comment I will be really confused!
So you beileve in santa claus and the tooth fairy too?
ReplyDeletetruly a humorous read
ReplyDeleteI cant believe you actually bring up the terms 'mass' and 'particle', scientific terms, claiming the Bible tells people of their existence through a completely unrelated bible passage. you realize science didnt exist for another 1000 years,
all of these 'facts' are just random passages that say things that were common sense to anyone living at the time or just complete nonsense, such as the "seed of life" and "snow treasures (wtf does that even mean?)"
your passage mentions NOTHING about rain or the water cycle, just common sense to anyone at the time, 'rivers flow to the sea'
Plenty of civilizations knew the earth was round prior to the Bible, including the Egyptians and Greeks.
any dolt with half a brain knows that lightning and thunder are related, lol you think we need the bible to tell us that? moron.
When a scientist discovers something that contradicts what he believes to be true, he changes his theory, he learns, where as creationists can never learn, they can only deny and reject things, because their view is not subject to change.
here is a real fact: the stories in the Bible are nothing more than rehashed versions and combinations of stories from Egypt, Mesopotamia and other places, including the Jesus story. not surprising considering there is no solid evidence that Jesus ever existed
you are taking Bible passages completely out of context, claiming that they were intended to be facts...
Goodness, Martin, way to take things completely out of context.
ReplyDelete"It is He who sits above the circle (Sphere in Hebrew) of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. "
No, circle is not from the word meaning sphere in Hebrew. גַלגַל means "Circle", "Wheel", or "Cycle", and it is uncommon for it to be used in the sense of a sphere, especially since this is actually a fairly modern meaning, because at the time of the bible's writing Euclidean geometry had not penetrated past the borders of the Roman Empire, and the Hebrew word גַלגַל did not yet have the meaning of "sphere".
It's also special pleading to say that it is DEFINITELY talking about a sphere, because even if sphere was described by the Hebrew word גַלגַל, that wouldn't mean that it was talking about earth as a sphere any more than a circle, and the fact that it is referring to the earth as having "foundations" and that the heavens are a tent placed over it shows that they were likely speaking of a flat plate.
"He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing."
This fits the motif of a flat-earth as well as a round earth, and proves absolutely nothing. And it's talking about the Northern sky, not the North pole or anything like that, so it's actually incorrect, because the sky to the north isn't "suspended over empty space", because we are IN a part of the sky, it is touching the surface of the Earth. The sky is the atmosphere. OR at least, we know that now, thanks to scientific advancements. The bible doesn't seem to be privy to that bit of information, and in fact seems to think that the sky is at some Northern region suspended over empty space.
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’"
This is NOT a 19th century discovery. Anyone who has ever been in battle and survived has seen that people die when they lose their blood. It is a very obvious and basic assessment of the nature of blood that has been around since the dawn of recorded history. There is no requirement for the Bible to tell us it.
"That path no bird knows,
Nor has the falcon’s eye seen it."
Good god, man, these are damned desert-dwellers, they were around Falcons and Eagles and the like all the time. We knew back then that they had good vision. That's not new information, it's not a recent discovery. What science has shown us is the exact degree to which birds of prey have better vision than us. The bible merely points out what was common knowledge among hunters at the time.
"Where [is] the way [where] light dwelleth? and [as for] darkness, where [is] the place thereof,"
That isn't talking about mass, it's talking about the location of light. OH, and the location of DARKNESS. But there's a bit of a problem there, because DARKNESS is the ABSENCE OF LIGHT. It is not something that is propagated the way light propagates. But of course the bible doesn't know that, it was written by primitive, paranoid people.
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ReplyDeleteWho hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;"
ANYONE WHO HAS EVER HEARD THUNDER KNOWS THAT IT IS PRECEDED BY LIGHTNING. A child can figure that out. This is NOT a recent discovery AT ALL. It's likely been known since BEFORE the dawn of recorded history, the bible was NOT ahead of it's time on this matter. You must be desperate for examples.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE LIKE THIS. SEMEN IS VERY VISIBLE. The fact that semen is required to impregnate a woman is VERY well known, again, is NOT a recent discovery. It didn't take man untill the 17th century to realize hat the white stuff that comes out of their penises is what impregnates women, because premature withdrawal is the most ancient form of birth control, and relies on the knowledge that semen is the "seed" of life. There are references to "seed" being used in this manner as far back as the time of the Ancient Egyptians, who had a myth about Khnum, "the sculptor who gives lives,", using the seed of a man to help create a child on a potter's wheel.
And there's no such thing as a "natural path" across the ocean, unless you are using a terminology that some other creationist cooked up for something like water currents or something. A google search turned up nothing. You can't lay claim that the bible contains scientific knowledge of something if you can't even properly say what that scientific knowledge is.
"Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,"
Good god, man, it's not using the word "treasures" int he same sense as "value", it's using it in the same sense as "storehouses" or "holding place".
Every one of these is a petty attempt to take some small passage out of context and pretend that it is a scientific bit of knowledge when you are keying in on one or two words and failing to understand basic literary interpretation. It's pitiful that you should have to stoop so low just to show that the bible is science-friendly.