This has been a really strange week! Not one of my debates lasted longer than 10 minutes!
I get a flaming message saying that evolution has allot of proof behind it, its much more logical etc.
I give them one reply saying their theory is wrong and I never hear from them again! So my debates are not going good. Everyone is so eager to "prove" evolution, that nobody ever does it!
I just counted, I got 8 debate requests, none of them ever reply to me!
Just for the learning purposes, I will show a snip out of one of my debates:
Challenger: You are a retard, there is loads of proof behind evolution!So that challenge didn't end that well. Face it, there is simply no proof for evolution!
Martin: Really? Can you show me one?
Challenger: There are mountains and mountains of proof supporting evolution!
Martin: Ok, I hear so, now show me some.
Challenger: You are blind, can't you see the proof?
Martin: No I cannot, if you can show me 1 bit of proof of evolution, I will declare you the winner of the debate.
Challenger: ...
Martin: Anytime now.
Challenger: ...
Martin: I thought so, you don't have any proof do you?
Challenger: ...
This one guy comes to me. I would like a debate. Science VS religion! I asked what he means. He then said Evolution VS Creation. What? Thats not science VS religion! Thats religion VS religion! He said, evolution is a fact... Here we go again (At start of the topic.) I told him to please explain the evolution theory for me. He said:
Well billions of years ago all the dirt in the universe got together in a dot smaller than a period.
...Then I said, ok, how would all the dirt in the universe be compressed in that teeny tiny dot?
He said, they don't know. Then I asked, ok, where did all the dirt in the universe come from when the big bang occurred? He said, they don't know. Then I said:
So if you ask me where did God come from, and I say I don't know. You are going to say its a religion, but now I asked you, where did all the dirt come from, and you said, you don't know. So according to your logic, evolution is a religion.He replied saying evolution is a scientifically proven fact. I asked, really? Has evolution ever been tested? Observed? Experimented with? Given small examples with predicted outputs? No? Well in that case, it is not scientifically proven.
Albert Einstein said:
I have found no better expression than "religious" for confidence in the rational nature of reality [...] Whenever this feeling is absent, science degenerates into uninspired empiricism.What? The man who created the theory of relativity, solved the mystery of the atoms etc. says your choice for believing in reality is religion! Well thats what I have been saying this whole time!
See, not only does evolution not have ANY proof to back it up, believers are also stubborn. Evolution is not a fact, its an unproven theory! Atheism is a religion, you believe there is no God! You believe in evolution, which is a theory, which must means atheism is a religion to!
No matter which way you go, evolution is not science, evolution is religious, so why won't people admit this?
Thats all for this post, we will continue this discussion later in Debate shame, Part #2!
Haha that's funny. There's no such thing as God or evolution. Our life is a lie, what your breathing right now isn't air. It's someting we have never discovered.
ReplyDeleteWell, that makes even less sense.
ReplyDeleteI would like to hear from you, how did we come to existence?
What is going to happen to you after death?
If nothing is what we are, then nothing exists. Including whatever is creating the illusion of life right? So your belief is interesting, but I don't think its logical to think that way. However, I don't think evolution is logical to so don't take it personally! Its a problem I have...
You don't understand evolution, you don't understand science, you don't understand the evidence for evolution.
ReplyDeleteThere is no point debating, or even discussing the evidence, with someone who doesn't understand the evidence.
Had you understood the evidence, or even been aware of it, you wouldn't need people to point out any of the "proof", you should be able to dimply discredit it.
But given you're asking for evidence then I suggest the following:
The phylogenetic tree
Transitional fossils
Endogenous retroviruses
Radiometric dating (and there are much more techniques than C14)
Anatomical vestiges
Molecular vestiges
Atavisms
Anatomic para-homologies
...
and dozens more.
The other consideration is not just the evidence, but how identical conclusions are drawn from the study of the evidence, but from different disciplines.
Genetics, biology, chemistry, geology, horticulture, etc., all study the same evidence use different techniques from their different disciplines and the only theory that explains all the evidence, in all the disciplines is evolution.
There have been hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed studies, and not once have any of these papers been refuted.
It is no longer a case where people need to show proof of evolution. The evidence is known and well documented. Given that, you need to refute the evidence.
And judging by your poor understanding of C14 and how you cite misapplications of it, I doubt you're in a position to do so.
evolution has been observed countless times on the field and in the lab. Do some research and stop making wild, groundless, as-sbackwards uninformed claims. Evolution is science.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, atheism does require faith, there is no explanation for the big bang. that is not proof of anything. What things science CAN explain (everything since the beginning of time really), are not based on faith but empirical observation, experimentation, things that facts are made of.
I laugh at the two comments above me.
ReplyDeleteI am sure they have done lots of research for the other side.....
Previous poster, I used to be a Christian, and it was only once I decided to fulfill my duty of showing others the reason for my faith that I began to research creation science, and I soon discovered how terribly filled with logical contradictions, fallacies, and fabrications the contrived that creation science is.
ReplyDeleteThe only way you could possibly say "there is no evidence for evolution" is if you have never taken the .26 seconds to search on google. I'll do it for you.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CA0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fevolution.berkeley.edu%2Fevolibrary%2Fsearch%2Ftopicbrowse2.php%3Ftopic_id%3D46&ei=0N8HS6ymOI7hnAeXqMCFDQ&usg=AFQjCNGMrRG5_uua0IVfq9ExuOCjMar7FA&sig2=9Ps_UymWhMJJxjTs_MGVRQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CBEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gate.net%2F~rwms%2FEvoEvidence.html&ei=0N8HS6ymOI7hnAeXqMCFDQ&usg=AFQjCNGJj2jj3bz4o25vXgnrpxQJFB0-VQ&sig2=ceUplpMEr23Cxk-kM24FdQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&ved=0CCYQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEvidence_of_common_descent&ei=0N8HS6ymOI7hnAeXqMCFDQ&usg=AFQjCNEGoWCyIeHfkgvffFAq_EsZYWRR0A&sig2=tCsNvLf_xopupCyfHTkNxg
And that's not even all the results from the first page.
P.S. I strongly doubt that the debate you posted ever took place. It is plainly obvious that you just typed what you think a debate with a supporter of evolution would be like, and have never actually had a debate with one. How about we sit down and have a nice debate over IM?
Whoa! Never noticed all the comments on this article!
ReplyDeleteThe person I'm interested the most at this time is Ash. You seem like a smart man, and you didn't attack me in one of your comments, thanks, don't worry that debate took place. I save almost all my debates, something like that happened yesterday (23 November 2009) to. The guy kept saying he's not going to do my homework I should search myself...
Whatever, I would be glad to debate you, email me for further arrangements.
Do you want me to explain the big bang and the singularity from whence it came? This could take some time, as it is a complex theory. In order to compress it I will not go into detail as to the quantum theory. You could either take my word what I say is true, or go out and buy a book on cosmology. There are many available.
ReplyDeleteThe behaviour of electricity, gravity, light and stars strongly suggest the existense of quantums (evidence explanation and detail in cosmology books). The existence of these quantums and the interesting results you get if you (quite reasonably) presume both quantum theory and the theories (special and general) of relativity are more or less correct strongly imply string theory.
One of the main facets of string theory is that there are more than the visible 4 dimensions in the universe (the visible 4 being left-right, forward-back, up-down and forward-back in time). There should infact be 10 dimensions. One of the results of the manyworld interpretation of quantum theory (the Copenhagen interpretation being effectively disproved by the thought experiment Schrodingers cat) is that there are many universes, some similar to ours, completely different. A new universe is created whenever a quantum event (a random event with two or more possible outcomes) occurs. These new universes must be somewhere. We call this "somewhere" the multiverse. As we cannot see this multiverse it presumably has more than 4 dimensioned (as made possible and indeed probable by string theory).
The main theory as to what the big bang was, is that it was an explosion created between a collision of two five-dimensional branes. This can all be verified by reading a few books (and understanding them). The sad thing is, as you are a fundermentalist, you probally will just shunt this evidence away, and it will make no difference to you beliefs, as you are so deeply intrenched in them.
Just try a little experiment for me. See if you can think of any evidence that could turn up that would dramatically alter your worldview. I doubt you can, because creationism is psuedoscience, an invalid theory. (google "Karl Popper falsification") On the other hand, just a slight change in the fossil record, or even just ONE verified miracle, recorded and inexplicable, and linked inextricably to God would convert me.