The Bible and pi!

I saw this in a comment and I thought that I might as well make a small article on it.

People have argued that the bible is not always accurate and use that as an attack. I personally think the bible is incredibly accurate in every detail. An argument they commonly use is the bible and the value of PI. In this article I am going to show you that the bible states an accurate estimation of PI and not 3 as most people have
interpret it.

Kings 7:23 and 26.

And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line
of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick....

Are they implying that pi has the value of 3? There is a similar description in 2 Chronicles 4:2-5.
 
Measurement
The text refers to dimensions measured in cubits and hand breadths. Now a cubit is from your elbow to the tip of your finger. Now, back in those days measurements wern't standard as they are today. Have you ever measured something using your body? Such as the stretch of your arms or something? If so then you
measured in a similar way they did back then. Today the cubit is about 46 cm. To measure something in cubits, you would put your elbow at the start of it and then your other arm etc. until you get to the end. eg. My monitor is exactly 1 of my cubits. My cubit is 47 cm. The hand breadths are standardized of about 10 cm. Since everyones body parts arn't the same size. Since we have no idea how their cubits was we are going to have to use approximation by using the standardized values for cubits and hand breadths.

Calculations
The bowl is said to have had a circumference of 30 cubits and a diameter of 10. The diameter is said to be “from one rim to the other”, so this would be the outer diameter. The circumference is not specified as being the inner or outer circumference, since the outer circumference would give us the “ideal” bowl we are going to use the inner circumference. Now we will use 2 measurements which are necessary for the casting of the piece.

Outer diameter: 460 cm (10 cubits)
Outer radius: 230 cm (5 cubits)
Inner circumference: 1380 cm (30 cubits)

To find the bible's value for pi we need to have the inner radius. After that its pretty straight forward. We simply use a formula that we even use today! C = 2(PI)r! Then we use some simple algebra and the answer is solved! Since it is said that the bowl is given as 1 hand breadths, the inner radius must be 220 (Outer radius – thickness, 230 – 10).

Inner radius = 220 cm
Inner circumference: 1380 cm

Formula: C = 2(pi)r

1380 = 2(pi)(220)
1380 = 440(pi)
1380/440 = pi
pi = 3.136...
Rounded to 3.14

Thats the answer I get using todays standards, their estimation was probably even more accurate since it wasn't even standardized. So in the end the bible doesn't tell us pi was 3, it shows us an estimation of 3.14, which is what we use today. Looks like the bible was accurate after all!

Written by: Martin Stolk

Vestigial organs.

Hi there!
This is something I get allot, "If God created us, why do we have vestigial organs? Shouldn't everything be perfect?" Well yes, God created us and every little thing we have supports our body in some way. This is often used as an evolutionist argument, arts that are left behind from our ancestors.

A few years ago, there was a list containing all the "vestiagial" organs in our body, I think it included about 80. That list has been narrowed down, to 0. There are a few that were not mentioned that are mentioned today, but its still not vestigial. I will list a bunch of vestigial organs from various websites, I will explain what the organ is, if I can, what it came from, and then explain why it is not vestigial.

Plica semilunaris
Also known as the third eyelid in some cases.

What is it?
The plica semilunaris is a small fold of bulbar conjunctiva on the medial canthus of the eye. A non biology version would be, that little pinkish triangle thingy at the point of your eyes closest to your nose.

Here is a picture of one:

Where did it come from?

It is believed that this came from reptiles or birds. They use it allot, some other animals like cats and chickens. It is believed that we didn't use it, so it shrunk, and never fell off.

What it is used for
Now something I'd like to point out, just because it seems to be the same thing doesn't mean it is the same thing. Look at us and whales, we have 2 bones in our wrist and whales have bones with the same names close to their tail, yet to do completely different things. So it has the same name, but that means absolutely nothing they are not the same. Now the plica semilunaris is definatly not vestigial. I thought most people should be able to figure it out, but since it is used as examples... What happens if you cry? Where does the tears go? Straight to your plica semilunaris and it slips right off! What happens if you get sand in your eye? It hurts or burns, blink a little and you will notice that the dirt is moving closer and closer to the plica semilunaris, once its there its much easier to get it out! The plica semilunaris helps to keep your eyes clean and slippery.

Take contact lenses for example. Have you ever seen someone fall asleep with contact lenses in their eyes? I have, when they wake up their eyes are really really dry. The contact lenses blocks whatever the plica semilunaris wants to do to make the eye slippery, since you have contact lenses in it can't perform its job, making your eyes dried up when you wake up in the morning.

Body hair
I'm sure you all know what that is!

Where did it come from?
It is believed that this came from chimps, but I'm sure you knew that.

What is it used for?
Hair is used for things other than warmth. Hair intensifies the sense of touch, when they are moved or bent. The amount of hair is determined by your genes, not everyone has the same amount of hair everywhere, there are allot of other things that affect your hair growth such as androgens. I'm not going to go into the biology of it. Hair is mostly used for body heat.


Sinuses
What is it?
Well I thought this wasn't really worth to be on the list, but hey, I'm just reading from the lists and then replying. Sinuses are air-filled spaces, communicating with the nasal cavity, within the bones of the skull and face.

What is it used for?
Well, even some evolutionists agree that sinuses are not vestigial, allot of debates have gone on about it, but it is suggested that the sinuses's functions could be:

• Decreasing the relative weight of the front of the skull, and especially the bones of the face. The shape of the facial bones is important, as a point of origin and insertion for the muscles of facial expression.
•  Increasing resonance of the voice.
•  Providing a buffer against blows to the face.
•  Insulating sensitive structures like dental roots and eyes from rapid temperature fluctuations in the nasal cavity.
•  Humidifying and heating of inhaled air because of slow air turnover in this region.

Adenoids
What is it?
Adenoids are a mass of lymphoid tissue situated at the very back of the nose, in the roof of the nasopharynx, where the nose blends into the mouth.

What is it used for?
It is used to trap and destroy pathogens in the air that enter the nasopharynx.
If you have yours removed, not a problem, you might just get a few diseases others don't get.


Tonsils
What is it?
The tonsils are areas of lymphoid tissue on either side of the throat.


What is it used for?
Well these two small glands in the back of your throat help protect you against infections.


Coccyx
Also referred to as a tail bone.

What is it?
It is the final segment of the human vertebral column.
You can find it right there:

What is it used for?

Scientists have found that important muscles attach to those bones. Without those muscles, your pelvic organs would collapse Without them you could not have a bowel movement, nor could you walk or sit upright. Or go to the bathroom if you really have to go after eating allot!

Goose bumps
What is it?
Are the bumps on a person's skin at the base of body hairs which may involuntarily develop when a person is cold or experiences strong emotions such as fear or awe.

What is it used for?
Goose bumps are caused by muscle contractions. These force oil into the follicle and onto the skin. This traps air around the surface of the skin and provides added insulation.

Appendix
What is it?
It is a blind-ended tube connected to the cecum, from which it develops embryologically.

What is it used for?
Science recently discovered that man needs this organ. It helps protect you from gastrointestinal problems in the lower ascending colon. It also fights infection. The problem is they say if something can be cut out and you can still live fine then its vestigial. Thats not how it works, cut off an arm, you can still live fine, does that make the arm vestigial? Same with your eyes, toes, fingers, everything you have has a function, just because you can live perfectly without them doesn't mean they are not needed.

Seriously the list just goes on and on and on, even though it mostly has a logical explanation people still choose to use it as arguments. Now we hit a problem for evolutionists, why arn't there any vestigial organs? See what has just happened there? Evolutionists ask questions, which are fine, but when we answer them, the same question is asked to them, but the opposite. According to evolution we should have a bunch of vestigial organs.

Other questions like this is, "What about the Geologic column?" then this is easily explained and the faults are pointed out in the evolutionists point of view, then we might ask why it looks like that. For example, why are there no erosion marks with the layers, if it formed over millions of years, don't you think it would rain once or twice? Or "How do you explain dinosaurs?", then after my explanation I can ask, why are human and dino footprints found on the same place, why are dino's mentioned and described in the bible, why did egyptians etc. know allot about dinosaurs?

So yea, its something to think about. Thats all for this topic.
-Martin

Uranium lead dating

Hi there!
Firstly I want to say, when making a comment, please, try to avoid using this website for me to go and read and answer: www.talkorigins.org. In one debate, I was referenced to this website no less than 5 times, I am getting sick of it, I explain everything, but they just keep throwing it again. From now on, if someone references to talkorigins, I am going to reference to talkorigins rival, www.trueorigins.org They are having war with each other so feel free to go there if you have any questions that you find on talk origins. The one comment was 29+ evidences for macro-evolution. Go here for that answer.

Well, its been a while since I published my first blog entry about carbon dating. I am very happy, I don't get any "proof" for millions of years old that includes carbon dating.

Actually the millions of years doesn't even fit, thanks to the 50 000 years limit, and all the ticks, so anything older than 50 000 years won't even give a single tick, so I don't know where they get that information from.

Anyway, now I'm not getting blasted with carbon dating, now I'm getting blasted with uranium lead dating! Well there are more than 20 dating methods so I suspects I am going to get blasted with allot of them, helium dating, lead 210 dating, racemization dating, astronomical dating, paleomagnetic dating I'm sure I'm going to get tackled with all of them, so I better get ready for it.

Uranium lead dating is pretty interesting, unlike carbon dating uranium lead dating has 2 separate decay chains. The one has a half life of 4,47 billion years and the other a half life of 704 billion years. I'm not going into any detail with all this like I did with carbon dating, it has the basics of carbon dating so I'm sure you will be able to follow if you read the carbon dating article. If you want more information on it get a book on it.

First there are a few things that every radiodating method assumes.
#1. Each system has to be a closed system or the dating will be thrown off. Ideally, in order to do this, each specimen tested needs to have been sealed in a jar with thick lead walls for all its previous existence, supposedly millions of years! In nature, there is no such thing as a closed system. One piece of rock cannot for millions of years be sealed off from other rocks, as well as from water, chemicals, and changing radiations from outer space. So immediately that tells you radiodating methods are not very accurate.

#2. Each system must initially have contained none of its daughter products. A piece of uranium 238 must
originally have had no lead or other daughter products in it. If it did, this would give a false date reading.
But this assumption can in no way be confirmed. It is impossible to know what was initially in a given piece of
radioactive mineral. Was it all of this particular radioactive substance or were some other indeterminate or final daughter products mixed in? We do not know; we cannot know. People can guess, come up with some dates, announce the consistent ones, and hide the rest, which is exactly what evolutionary scientists do! Not that long ago they dated dinosaur bones, the results gave them a few thousand years. (Which is what I believed from the start) what did they do? Throw out the dinosaur bones and conclude dinosaur bones are to old to be carbon dated. No, its not to old to be carbon dated, your dating method is faulty and you can't accept the truth. And its been known that the radiodating methods date things back to much. It would be interesting to hear scientists defend themselves on why they throw out some things. Because currently it works like this:
If the age sample is known, radiometric dating does not work, if the age sample is unknown, it is assumed that radiometric dating works. And you call that science? I would seriously find new dating methods to support your theory.

#3. The decay rate must always have been constant. These rates can change or vary with a change in certain conditions. The biggest mistake with the radiometric dating is the assumption that the decay rate has always been the same. But it is a known fact among scientists that such changes in decay rates can and do occur. Laboratory testing has established that such resetting of specimen clocks does happen. Field evidence reveals that decay rates have indeed varied in the past. The decay rate of any radioactive mineral can be altered if the mineral is bombarded by high energy particles from space, if there is, for a time, a nearby radioactive mineral emitting radiation, if physical pressure is brought to bear upon the radioactive mineral, if certain chemicals are brought in contact with it. John Joly, spent years studying pleochroic halos emitted by radioactive substances. In his research he found evidence that the long half-life minerals have varied in their decay rate in the past!

#4. If any change occurred in past ages in the blanket of atmosphere surrounding our planet, this would greatly affect the clocks in radioactive minerals. We know that the oxygen long ago was different than it is today, evolutionists and creationists both agree with this. Most evolutionists say: "Everything seems to have been bigger in the Jurassic age." Most creationists say: "Everything seems to have been bigger before the flood." The only explanation for everything being bigger would be if there was more oxygen and if the oxygen was under more pressure than it is today. Thats the only way that I know of that something can grow as big like a dinosaur. From my point of view, the bible says there was a firmament above the earth. So it is suggested that before the flood there was a water or ice layer above the earth, this is physically possible, and should that be true then the oxygen would be put under more pressure etc. I would like an evolutionists point of view on why everything grew larger in the Jurassic age.

Problems like that just come up and up, all that with just the types of radiometric dating methods. So with all my other radiometric dating posts, I am going to reference to this page. As this is the same for all radiometric dating methods. Now back to uranium lead dating. I have already discussed a few problems with it above. Now uranium lead, specific problems.

#1. Lead could originally have been mixed in with the uranium or thorium. This is very possible, and even likely. It is only an assumption that integral or adjacent lead could only be an end product. When a uranium sample is tested for dating purposes, it is assumed that the entire quantity of lead in it is “daughter-product lead”.

#2. Part of the uranium and its daughter products could previously have leached out. This would drastically affect the dating of the sample. Lead, in particular, can be leached out by weak acid solutions.

#3. There can be inaccurate lead ratio comparisons, due to different types of lead within the sample. Correlations of various kinds of lead in the specimen is done to improve dating accuracy. But errors can and do occur here also. Rock known to be less than 300 years old is variously dated between 50 million and 14.5 billion years of age! That is a 14-billion year error in dating! Yet such radiodating techniques continue to be used in order to prove long ages of earth’s existence. Sample datings from a single uranium deposit in the Colorado Caribou Mine  yielded an error spread of 700 million years.Its like I said previously, if the age sample is known, it does not work, but if the age sample is unknown, it is assumed to work. Get a serious problem here.

#4. Melvin Cooke suggests that the radiogenic lead isotope 207 could actually have been formed from lead 206, simply by having captured free neutrons from neighboring rock. In the same manner, lead 208 could have been formed by the capture of free neutrons from lead 207. Cooke checked out this possibility by extensive investigation and came up with a sizeable quantity of data indicating that practically all radiogenic lead in the earth’s crust could have been produced in this way instead of by uranium or thorium decay!

#5. According to evolutionary theory, the earth was originally molten. But, if true, molten rocks would produce a wild variation in clock settings in radioactive materials. “Why do the radioactive ages of lava beds, laid down within a few weeks of each other, differ by millions of years?”Glen R. Morton. It is a well-known fact, by nuclear researchers, that intense heat damages radiodating clock settings, yet the public is solemnly presented with dates of rocks indicating long ages of time when, in fact, the evolutionary theory of the origin of rocks would render those dates totally useless.

In some of my previous debates I have started showing things from evolution that contradicts itself. Not just its dating methods, the theory itself. I don't know whats happening, but some how those contradictions just never seem to come up. There is a contradiction on how the stars formed, there is a contradiction in your dating methods, there is a contradiction with regards to matter and anti-matter.

Well, thats all for this article, thanks for reading!
-Martin

Am I good enough to go to heaven?

Firstly, this is a question allot of people who believe in God have.
So if you don't believe in God and you are just going to criticize, kindly leave as this entry has nothing to do about evolution or creation. This is my religion and I expect you to respect it, as I respect your evolution religion.

Now lets get started, are you good enough to go to heaven?
Thats a pretty good question, how do we know who is and who isn't good enough to go to heaven?
Like allot of questions, we simply refer to the Bible!

Note: Before making any comments or get upset or angry or neglect the word of God, read the WHOLE article don't just stop when you read something you don't like!
Don't make the same mistake my other test readers made!



Revelation 20:13-15
(13)  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(14)  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(15)  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So what that says is, if you don't do good you go to hell.
Now how do we know what is good or bad? Is it based on majority of opinion?
Because that never works out!
Lets see, the Bible actually tells us what we may and may not do, its called the 10 commandments, 10 laws, according to the Bible thats all you need to obey to go to heaven! Now what are the 10 commandments?

Well, the 10 commandments are split into 2 sections. The first is regarding God and the second regarding man.

#1. Do not worship any other gods.
This is very important. Hey, do you have more than 1 God?
Do you live for school and totally neglect the word of God?
Do you spend hours infront of the TV and don't even think of God, or even consider Him?
Is the answer yes?
Then you are in allot of trouble when you stand before God!

#2. Do not make any idols.
Don't make something that resembles God and worship that. God is much much much bigger than we will ever be able to imagine! Making a statue and praying to that, even if it resembles God is just a slap in God's face! If you read the bible you will see people that did this were punished!

In Exodus when the Israelites made an idol (the golden calf) they had a choice, stay with the calf or turn to God. Those who stayed with the calf died. Those who went to God...The calf was crushed into powder and they had to drink it! I'm sure that tasted...interesting.

If you want to talk to God go on your knees (just shows respect), close your eyes (to prevent distraction) and talk to God. Nothing special, just that.

#3. Do not misuse the name of God.
This is really bad, 40% of the people I know don't even know they are doing this, and 30% of them know they are doing this, but they just don't care. Honestly, why do people use the name "God" to express anger? You see it in movies, plays, series, books everywhere. People just don't care about this. If you are one of those guilty people, I think you are in BIG trouble when you stand before God.

#4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
God tells us, work 6 days, rest 1.
How many people actually do this?
Some people say: "We do this, we go to church every Sunday!".
Well I'm sorry, but that just isn't going to cut it. I will agree its hard to do in todays times, but atleat try! Most teenagers have got the resting part done, 7 days a week!
Not gonna cut it!

That was regarding God. Now regarding man.

#5. Honour your mother and father.
This could be tricky huh?
Its really hard sometimes, especially when they are being "unfair"!
You are not allowed to go to the party! When they say something you don't like you might crack and swear them, or intimidate them etc. Trust me, this happens allot!

#6. Do not murder.
I'm sure this isn't a problem for most people, but yea, just thought I'd mention it. The guy actually mentioned something I never knew, after some research I found it! Jesus states that hating someone, thinking bad of someone, it means you are committing murder in your heart, which is true, don't wish bad things on others.

#7. Do not commit adultery.
This is one of the laws broken allot!
Really, how many parents are divorsed?
How many couples cheat on each other?
Think about it, it happens ALLOT!

Mat 5:28  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So as you can clearly see, these laws are not all meant to be interpreted physically, but also spiritually and emotionally.

#8. Do not steal.
Don't take something that isn't yours, without asking atleast.
Don't take a pen from someone. Don't take test answers!
Many variations of stealing! You can steal with your hands, with your eyes etc.

#9. Do not lie.
How many of you have ever lied?
All of you, right?
Big lie, small lie, good lie, bad lie. Against God's law. Any lie at all is against the law of God.

#10. Do not covet.
This is tough!
"My friend got the newest car on the mark! Why don't I have it? I must get it at all costs!"
Sure this happens. This happens to everyone, hey have you been jealous before? I have, I think this goes in here too. Don't be jealous! Don't covet! Give it a try! Not really easy!

You have to do that, its not called the 10 suggestions its called the 10 commandments. Its not optional. Anything that you have done that falls in 1 of those categories are considered sin. And you deserve hell. I have broken most of the laws, I am filled with sin every day. The only commandments I have not broken is number 2, 3, 5. Thats less than half of it. So in other words, I'm screwed! I sin on a daily basis!

Rom 6:23  For the wages of sin is death;...

So this verse says, any sin we do will cause us to die. If you have done any one of those sins, sadly it means no, you are not good enough to go to heaven. Sad isn't it? So the short answer to this question is no. If you have broken any one of those sins you deserve to go to hell. Sorry to be the one telling you that. Seriously, the Bible says we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

HOWEVER!

It does not end there!
You will notice in the verse above (Rom 6:23) I made an ellipsis. Thats because its not the whole verse.
The whole verse says:

Rom 6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

What does this mean? God is offering us a gift. Its free. All you have to do is accept it. Eternal life. Thats what you get if you don't break any of the above laws! So open your eyes!

John 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Read it again. It says should not perish, but have everlasting life.
It doesn't say might not perish and maby have everlasting life.
You will not perish and have everlasting life under 1 condition.
You have to believe in God, you have to believe that He sent Jesus to earth and sacrificed Jesus for us. Our punishment is death. It has been paid by someone else. Jesus, all you have to do is accept it, thats that. Man, what a deal.

Now, how do we accept this gift?
Its easy, close your eyes and say the below (Or similar, doesn't matter as long as the base is there.)

Dear God, I repent of all of my sins. This day I put my trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour because I know You sent Him to save me from your wrath. Please forgive me, and grant me your gift of everlasting life. Change my heart, and make me who You want me to be. I ask this in Jesus' name. Amen.

Or say this:

Lord, I repent from my sins. I know I am full of sins and I'm sorry, I want to do good and I know that you sent Jesus to die in my place. Forgive me and help me go the right way and grant me Your gift of everlasting life. I ask this in Your name. Amen.

There's no magic words, anything that says you are sorry you have sinned, and you ask that God forgives you. Thats it!

So with this article I conclude. Everyone deserves to go to hell, but God loves us anyway He forgives us. And He will grant you the gift of everlasting life.

Its actually interesting Jesus says forgive your enemies (1 enemy) 7 X 70 times each day! So God forgives us atleast 490 times per day! Dang, bet it must be hard doing 490 sins each day by accident! We are human, we sin, but atleast try to stay pure. So yea, thats what I believe and I hope I have answered your question.

Martin

Information

This is just a general entry, its not going to talk about anything in particular.

First, the site has reached 1000 viewers!
My biggest success would have been around 200...
And trust me, those views arn't mine! I'd say no more than 30 of the views are mine.
So yea I'm pretty happy about this, I thought the website was going to be ignored. Guess I was proved wrong.

Secondly, I am very happy, I checked the comments I have recently got and none of them were offending! I'm really happy about this, its mostly just statements and links to other websites. Pitty I don't have time to answer all the comments, but I'll get to it! Thanks for everyone who made a comment. And thank you for (mostly) finally starting to treat me with respect, thats via IM, email and comments.

Thirdly, there is a new blogger that recently joined me. (I won't give out any details, he might do it himself.) He hasn't made an entry yet, it also doesn't look like he even started a draft yet, but whatever, so you might get a few articles that are not entitled to Martin. If anyone else would like to write articles for this website, please email me at mrtnstolk@gmail.com. It does not necessarily have to be about creation or evolution, it can be anything as long as it supports God and the bible.


Fourthly(And lastly)
I completely forgot about the poll at the end of this page!
The poll had 31 votes, here are the results:

Do you think evolution is true?
Yes 17 (54%)
No 9 (29%)
I don't know 5 (16%)

Which is pretty impressive if you ask me, I did the same poll at my school, I had about 40 - 60 votes. I'd say more than 90% of them believed in evolution. So I am pretty happy about the poll results.
Thanks to everyone who voted.

Now a new poll is up! You have a long time to vote...I can't wait to see some results on this poll!

Thanks for reading this completely unnecessary entry!
Martin

Dinosaurs and the bible

This can be a problem for some people.
I know this was a problem for me about a year ago.
People ask how do dinosaurs fit into the bible?

Well there are a variety of choices.
There are problems with some logic, but I'm not going into any problems with any theories.
Some say this:
"I don't think dinosaurs ever existed. Sure we see the bones of them, but I think God purposely put the bones underground, so dinosaurs never really walked the earth. Why did he do it? I don't know, maby he wanted to test our faith."

Feel free to email me your theories about them at mrtnstolk@gmail.com.

My theory is dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans!
Genesis 1:21

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

It says every living creature that moveth. Every creature, not big creatures, or small creatures, or fat creatures, not some creatures, all the creatures. Which includes dinosaurs!

Now some skeptics might ask, why are dinosaurs not mentioned?
Well, thats a simple question, its a reasonable question, but is simple.
The bible doesn't use the word dinosaur, you know why?
The word dinosaur was invented in 1841, the bible was written way before that!
It was translated in about 1400. Which means the bible couldn't use the word "dinosaur" because it wasn't invented yet. The bible uses the word "dragon". The word dragon(s) is mentioned 35 times in the bible.
I'll even list the verses for you:
Deuteronomy 32:33
Nehemiah 2:13
Job 30:29
Psalms 44:19; 74:13; 91:13; 148:7
Isaiah 13:22; 27:1; 34:13; 35:7; 43:20; 51:9
Jeremiah 9:11; 10:22; 14:6; 49:33; 51:34,37
Ezekiel 29:3
Micah 1:8
Malachi 1:3
Revelation 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17; 13:2,4,11; 16:13; 20:2;
And they are mentioned even more in the books not included in the bible.

The only other dinosaurs I read in the bible was Behemoth and Leviathan, which we will now be discussing.
Behemoth is only mentioned once in the bible, Job 40:15. After that it describes the behemoth.
The descriptions look like this:
Job 40:15 - Eats grass like an ox.
Job 40:16 - Strength is in loins and navel of belly.
Job 40:17 - Moves tail like a ceder.
Job 40:18 - Bones are really really strong (like bars of iron according to the bible)
Job 40:21 - Lies under shady trees.
Job 40:23 - Drinks up a river.

Thats a quick summary of it. Now it has been suggested that this could be an elephant or a hippo.
Thats a little inaccurate if you ask me.
Job 40:15 - Eats grass like an ox
Elephant - Eats grass, but not like an ox, does it? When elephants eat grass they grip the grass with their trunks, loosen the grass with their foot and pulls the grass out.
Hippo - Nothing wrong here, fits the description.

Job 40:17 - Moves tail like a ceder
Ceder tree huh? The tails...

 Oh yea,  sure it is.

Job 40:21 - Lies under shady trees
Really? An elephant? Last time I heard they roll in the mud to keep cool, or they spray themselves with water.
Same with the hippo, they stay cool by being in mud or water, not shade, water.

You know...Before the translators make comments I should suggest that they read the passage atleast twice. Otherwise wrong assumptions are made.

Now, what could a behemoth be?
It has been suggested that it could be a brachiosaurus.
Its possible. I don't know, but its possible. It fits the description pretty well.

This guy came to me and said:

It fits more than one dinosaurs description, it fits the stegosaurus to!

His missing the whole point!
The point isn't which dinosaur it was, its a dinosaur!
Anyway.

The leviathan...
The word leviathan is mentioned 5 times in the bible.
The description goes as follows:
Job 41:1 - Can't catch with a hook!
Job 41:12 - Strong!
Job 41:13 - Round teeth.
Job 41:14 - Has scales.
Job 41:19 - 21 - Breathes fire!
Job 41:22 - Strong neck.
Job 41:26 - 28 - Weapons don't hurt him that much!
Job 41:33 - No fear!

Thats another nice description of a leviathan. It has been suggested that this could be either a whale or a basking shark. Both those fits the description pretty well... There are problems!

Job 41:19 - 21 - Breathes fire!

I highly doubt a whale or any type of shark could breath fire, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

This guy I debated said:

You know, I think breathing fire sounds allot like a fairy tale. I mean really, how is that even possible? And even if it is possible wouldn't they give a better description of it?

Well, I'm sorry, the bible isn't a reference guide. All it says is out of his mouth goes fire and smoke goes out of his nose. Thats about it. Can't help you there. I will however argue that it is possible to breath fire. It is chemically possible. For example the bombardier beetle. Man that thing hits the enemy with 212 degree's of chemicals. Don't you think its possible? Well, according to the bombardier beetle it is.

Job 41:22 - Strong neck
This always gets to me!
They say its a whale or a basking shark. All I say is:

I would like you to point out to me. Where, on a whale, is its neck. Because I can't seem to find it.

Same with the basking shark... Not even to mention strong.
So someone, please email me at mrtnstolk@gmail.com where I may find the neck on a whale or basking shark. (Leave comments if you want, but I probably won't read it.)

A few years ago there was a reporting of a strange creature that washed out on the beach. Well people were rushing to go see it and they cut pieces off it etc. Well, nobody ever thought of taking a picture of it. Scientists suggested it was a basking shark, some people said that can't be true, it had a long neck. The scientists persisted and eventually the other people just left it, but thats dumb. Its actually saying "I'm right and you are wrong, because you were there and I wern't."

There is much much more I can say about this topic, but I'm going to stop right here, for now anyway!

They're both religions!

Hello everyone!
I want to say this straight up, don't be intimidating on the comments, feel free to prove my post wrong, or give your opinions or even ask questions if you like. But stay away from calling names.

Oh, if anyone would like to debate me (I got some comments on this)
Please contact me at mrtnstolk@gmail.com.
Lets make this happen!

Now before we can start, everyone has to know what religion means.
Now the word religion has atleast 9 meanings. One of those 9 meanings, means something one believes in and follows devotedly.

Now there are many meanings to the word evolution to!
One of the meaning means a variation in kind. Which is indeed scientifically proven and supported by the bible. Look, you get all kind of dogs, you get big ones, small ones, little ones, fat ones, ugly ones, wrinkled up ones etc. But in the end, its still a dog, right? Its simply a variation of a dog. Keep that in your head for a while.

Did you know, rat poison is 99.98% good food?
Only 0.02% of it is poison, but its the poison that kills them.
Its a technique that works great, mix two things together that don't belong.
In this case, evolution and science. See, they mix the variation in kinds with all the other meanings, when they give proof for evolution they always give examples of variations in kinds.

I think its safe to assume that a religion is something you believe weather you have proof or not.

Now the next definition we need to look at is science.
Allot of people I debate say,

Science isn't about knowing everything, its about giving the best possible explanation for things.

No its not.
My dictionary defines science as knowledge gained through observation, testing and studying.
Then they say, the majority of opinion makes it true.
Thats not true either. They use to teach that the earth was flat, they use to teach if you are sick, take bad blood out and you get fixed, they use to teach big rocks fall faster than small rocks. This was believed by most people, but its not true.

Interesting. Keep all the above in your head.

Firstly don't post a comment on my poor knowledge on evolution, I have more than 20 books on evolution, read them all, I know evolution.

Big bang
Lets start with the big bang.
Has a big bang ever been observed, tested? No, it couldn't have, nobody was there!
The one textbook I have says a big bang happens every 70 - 100 billion years.
Now how on earth does he know that?
Is that what he knows, or is that what he thinks?
Was he there when the big bang happened?
No, he doesn't know that at all, he thinks it. He, and nobody else was there when the big bang happened. A big bang has never been observed or tested. Only in math, which by the way, according to the math, would create a black hole and not matter. So a big bang is not science, a big bang is a theory. The big bang is something you believe in. Well lets look at our definition of religion.
Gasp! Something you believe in! What could this mean?

This only means one thing. The big bang theory is part of a religion!
Lets continue shall we?

Elements
The big bang theory suggests that the big bang produced hydrogen and maby a little helium.
Well, if thats true, how did we get all the other elements?
This guy came to me and said:

A simple question of nuclear fusion which takes place in stars. This has been proven by examining the spectra of stars. I thought this was a bit of a silly question so I presume you don't understand the science behind it. If you like, I will explain and maybe find a link for something to read which may also help.

Well, no its not so simple. It can be done with fusion, yes, how did we get all the elements higher than iron? Should your answer be the heat from the stars, where did the energy for the stars come from? Where did energy in the first place come from? In any case, there is no way that stars can form, have the other elements fuse and then heat up the elements to become anything higher than iron. Study the dates on evolution and you will see what I'm talking about.

It has never been proven that any element higher than iron can be produced from helium and hydrogen. It just doesn't work! Which means its not a scientific fact, which means that's part of a religion! Which reminds me, why is it that a star has never been seen forming? It should have been seen atleast once by now.

Consider all then then you'll see, I'm right about my facts, feel free to research it for yourself.

Life from dead matter
Next is how life can come from dead matter.You know this is actually really funny! This one textbook I have says in chapter 13 I believe, the last sentence says:

Therefor we conclude that life cannot be created from dead matter.

Then the chapter right after that, on evolution, it says:

However, we believe life started from dead matter.

Its just hilarious to read.
This one guy came to me and said:

Of course life comes from dead matter, simply add energy.

I would like to tell you thats not true, throw a bunch of junk together and give it an electric shock. Please notify me weather you  got life or not. As a matter of fact, throw a frog in a blender, blend it, throw the pieces in a cup and add energy. Thats dead matter, you still think you gonna get life from the pieces of the frog?
No?
Well why not? All the pieces are there...
But if it is organized in the right way, then it has life...
Big bang is nothing more than an explosion, nothing is organized in an explosion...

It has never been proven that life can come from dead matter. Never been observed (How could it, according to evolutionists, we wern't even there yet). So what can this mean? (All you creationists say it with me now)
Life coming from dead matter is religious!


Animals producing different kind of animals
The next part after life got started, eventually different kind of animals started to appear.
Just think about it logically for a second.

What is so scientific of believing dogs and peaches are related?

Whats so scientific to believe that humans came from hydrogen and helium?

Thats not science. Thats a theory, I respect your theory, I think its dumb, but I respect it.
Now, has it ever been observed that any animal can produce an animal of a different kind?
No!
I'd like to see what kind of animal a dog and a peach can bring forth. Since they are related...
Any farmer, that works with animals, cross-breeds them can tell you, you can cross-breed them up till a point and no further. They look different, but hey they are still the same kind of animal, arn't they? So thats a variation in kind. See a variation in kind has been proved hundreds of times, changing from 1 kind to another, has not.

They teach in the textbooks fresh water fish and salt water fish probably had a common ancestor. I agree, I believe it was called...a fish. Its a different kind of fish, but hey its still a fish, isn't it?

Now the problem with the evolution theory is when discussing it, they always start where life has already been started. Pretty unfair if you ask me, but whatever. I just want to say, that's not how it works, when you are explaining your viewpoint you have to give scientific evidence for it, unless, you admit its a religion. You can't just make a statement and say its up to me to prove it wrong, oh no, its up to you to prove it, otherwise its your religion. I could make any dumb statement, watermelons are purple on the inside until the skin is damaged. Prove I'm wrong! Doesn't work like that. You can't just skip the above as most of them do. If you believe the things above that means its part of your religion, you believe it, you think it is a fact, but its not really.

So with all the information above I conclude that evolution is considered as a fact and science (Obviously the man that started that didn't know the meaning of science or religion), but its not! Anyone can try to prove me wrong. I admit my belief is a religion so why won't you admit it either? So I think evolution should be taught as a religion, not science. Because that is what evolution is. Now since evolution is a religion answer my next question, why do creationists have to pay the state to have your religion taught in our school system?

Small things that evolutionists never seem to answer. Well, thanks for reading everyone!

-Martin